tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post646249233335553342..comments2023-07-07T06:58:04.928-04:00Comments on Linux + GNU = Humans Enabled: Open Letter - Please Show Linux Credit at Movie EndingsShannon VanWagnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00902572387191538052noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-68476648099110340822008-04-14T04:14:00.000-04:002008-04-14T04:14:00.000-04:00Haven't you noticed? There's an awful lot of pengu...Haven't you noticed? There's an awful lot of penguin movies coming out lately... What more credit would you want.<BR/><BR/>Hell if some people would put gnu/linux on the credit list, that's fine with me ("rendered with penguin power"). But it's the choice of the makers to put in there whoever they want. I personally would find it much more creative if they would do it in a less obvious, inspiring way. Like by using references or putting in easter eggs e.g. the lead character's son has a plush tux or a poster of Richard Stallman or Linus, or they have a tux kitchen clock... That way all the geeks/hackers in the audience could get some good laughs out of it.<BR/><BR/>(I also posted a similar comment on digg)my_keyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04195090842757947180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-73262371162755204892008-04-13T19:33:00.000-04:002008-04-13T19:33:00.000-04:00Baseless...I will never doing this even If i'm a t...Baseless...<BR/>I will never doing this even If i'm a true linux supporter. In film making, tools is not important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-72441681135518807462008-04-13T18:07:00.000-04:002008-04-13T18:07:00.000-04:00"And before that, there's a hundred other logos mo..."And before that, there's a hundred other logos more integral to the process than Linux. Where's the Autodesk logo? Adobe? Avid? Apple? NextLimit? SideFX? Softimage?"<BR/><BR/>This are all PAYED software and the industry already credit the programmers a lot with their licensing money.<BR/><BR/>The GNU/Linux they used is free and they should, at least, put a tiny little line saying they used GNU/Linux since they don't pay for it (or at least they pay just a very tiny small fraction and not to all people involved).<BR/><BR/>Gratitude would be something they could show but the film industry is not known by that, are they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-10568493172131754072008-04-11T17:00:00.000-04:002008-04-11T17:00:00.000-04:00In a perfect world this would nice to do. But as E...In a perfect world this would nice to do. But as Eugenia above says, it ain't going to happen.<BR/><BR/>I DO work in the movie industry, and we do use Linux for major portions of the film. But should we also give credit to the individual applications we use? What about the in house applications we've written? Should we also give credit to the Windows machine that was used to approve the budget for the movie? Should we give credit to the Mac machine that was used to edit the sound? <BR/><BR/>Keep in mind too, that the credits also cost a pretty significant amount of money. Crediting applications and Operating Systems would quickly push that cost up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-22739827325487698982008-04-11T16:39:00.000-04:002008-04-11T16:39:00.000-04:00Well said Jason! I think people over here to ask f...Well said Jason! I think people over here to ask for such Linux attribution just don't get the whole picture.Eugenia Lolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03841412747426733061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-23316183784848840952008-04-11T11:12:00.000-04:002008-04-11T11:12:00.000-04:00Huh? Linux is almost never used anywhere outside o...Huh? Linux is almost never used anywhere outside of VFX, and maybe some server stuff for editing. Most often, they used OSX and maybe Windows. Damn near every suit I've seen has a Macbook Pro.<BR/><BR/>"But," you might cry, "it's still used in VFX! Let's get some credit there!" If you knew anything about the industry, you'd know that VFX has incredibly little say into such things. <BR/><BR/>And before that, there's a hundred other logos more integral to the process than Linux. Where's the Autodesk logo? Adobe? Avid? Apple? NextLimit? SideFX? Softimage?<BR/><BR/>Hell, before any of that, where are the names of all the people who directly worked on the damn movie? Big shows like Narnia routinely leave off hundreds of people because of space restrictions.J-Pohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12794225612587790089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-46864394922731962592008-04-11T09:15:00.000-04:002008-04-11T09:15:00.000-04:00Why do you mix GNU/Linux and Linux in your remarks...Why do you mix GNU/Linux and Linux in your remarks? It is obvious that you know that GNU/Linux is the operating system and Linux is the kernel.<BR/><BR/>We should be asking filmmakers to reference GNU/Linux, not Linux.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-15938852805277072482008-04-11T06:52:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:52:00.000-04:00Although I use Linux extensively and believe it sh...Although I use Linux extensively and believe it should be promoted for application where it is suitable I don't necessarily believe they need to acknowledge every tool they use. Linux after all is just a took used during development. <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't expect to see Linux credited any more than I would expect to see 3M credited for supplying duct tape. Although it would be nice to see companies recognize the hard work of the 1000s or open source developers. I don't feel it should be expected. Linux after all is just one of many tools used during the production of a film.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-26277895826568757892008-04-11T06:23:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:23:00.000-04:00You're right man, I'm a linux user too and I've be...You're right man, I'm a linux user too and I've benefited a lot from it. I really appreciate what they are doing. Too bad, there are few acknowledge the value of their sacrifices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-35974408867898799592008-04-11T06:20:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:20:00.000-04:00Shannon, UR a nerd with a capital "N". Nobody look...Shannon, UR a nerd with a capital "N". Nobody looks at movie credits anyway. Why don't you sell Linux bumper stickers to get the news out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-19228992104080561902008-04-11T06:17:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:17:00.000-04:00Excellent idea. Linux is used in so many places an...Excellent idea. Linux is used in so many places and by so many people, sometimes without them even knowing. Yet the penetration on the market is made impossible because nobody cares about promoting Linux.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-67508241097241098212008-04-11T06:03:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:03:00.000-04:00BRAVO! Yes, I've been saying this for years!In fac...BRAVO! Yes, I've been saying this for years!<BR/><BR/>In fact, I've gone so far as to say that *every* product made with Linux's help should proclaim so proudly on the label. Every website powered by a Linux server, every router with Linux inside, cell phones, gaming consoles, etc.<BR/><BR/>I work freelance, and I point out to every single client and all over my portfolio that every scrap is done on Linux, and I produce ebooks, graphic design, Flash games, and more. Every day I meet people who respond in shock: "I didn't know Linux could do that!"<BR/><BR/>Penguin Pete<BR/>http://penguinpetes.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-84484377093295333122008-04-11T06:02:00.000-04:002008-04-11T06:02:00.000-04:00As a fellow enthusiast, I can only wholeheartedly ...As a fellow enthusiast, I can only wholeheartedly agree.<BR/><BR/>Your business is based, for a large part, on the timeless hard work and passion of others, something the film industry draws a lot of attention to with regards to film makers, directors, etc.<BR/><BR/>I think the film industry should also credit those who are perhaps ignored by the mainstream, and yet are also indirectly responsible for some of your success.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-50316783271663284302008-04-11T05:57:00.000-04:002008-04-11T05:57:00.000-04:00I am also a linux enthusiast from india. I am plan...I am also a linux enthusiast from india. I am planning to conduct workshops on open source in universities and informing people about substitutes of all windows softwares in linux. regarding that i was planning to form a team. if you know any such people in India, kindly let me know.Himanshu Arorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12385127262130709051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-40342939659304850422008-04-11T05:52:00.000-04:002008-04-11T05:52:00.000-04:00no film makers, I know of, use Linux. And the rea...no film makers, I know of, use Linux. And the reason is simple... there's no software on Linux appropriate to making films...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-39002454270333904162008-04-11T05:38:00.000-04:002008-04-11T05:38:00.000-04:00Great IdeaGreat IdeaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8208479109120950856.post-63298363718827469262008-04-11T02:01:00.000-04:002008-04-11T02:01:00.000-04:00I don't agree with this request (and I am a loyal ...I don't agree with this request (and I am a loyal Creative Commons videographer releasing <A HREF="http://vimeo.com/eugenia/videos" REL="nofollow">my travel videos</A> under the most liberal CC license).<BR/><BR/>You see, usually, when professionals create a movie in Hollywood, they use a lot of different tools and operating systems. They use from dedicated expensive hardware, to Windows, to MacOS9 and OSX, to Linux, to IRIX. Each device/OS does only a small job of the overall work.<BR/><BR/>You can't credit all the *tools* you used to create your movie, it would be a killer. While for you Linux has a big place in your heart, others are swearing in the name of Avid, or After Effects, or even their color grading effect machines. As long as Avid or Adobe don't get credited, don't expect Linux to get credited.<BR/><BR/>While the base OS was free, it was NOT free for them to use the tools they used (usually, these tools are developed in house and they bare a full cost of professional software development), and so they don't feel obligated. Neither the license of Linux obligates them to give attribution.<BR/><BR/>Besides, Linux is just the OS for them. As far as they are concerned, they would feel more obligated to attribute their software that runs on TOP of Linux, rather than Linux itself. Kind of like they would credit Adobe's After Effects instead of Windows XP.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but that's how it is... Personally, I try to give full technical details on how achieved a video, but this is not so in the professional world.Eugenia Lolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03841412747426733061noreply@blogger.com